He went across to the window that looked out from the inside of the Institute to raw space.
That means we didn't have much choice but to find the best raw space and then do our own interior construction.
What used to be called "raw space" has never been so refined.
When a company rents office quarters, it gets raw space.
"I was looking for a raw space about 2,500 square feet," he said.
And prices for raw space have fallen to $6 a square foot from around $9 in 1988.
But the attic, a raw space isolated from the rest of the house, offered a chance to try something different.
"If not, we will have it in one of three raw spaces we've looked at."
The raw space could sell for $75 to $80 a square foot.
He paid $25,000 for 3,000 square feet of raw space.