Turkey was hit particularly hard because it is a Muslim country in a rough neighborhood.

Both are celebrating 20 years of independence in what is really a very rough neighborhood.

"I come from a pretty rough neighborhood, not many kids finish high school," he said.

"Look, we live in a rough neighborhood," said one of the men, who declined to give his name.

Security in some of the nation's rougher neighborhoods is also a major problem.

Still, if it were just a question of avoiding rough neighborhoods, things would be simple.

Which can be a problem for a woman, because you come down off the El in a very rough neighborhood.

"Boys, you're going to see me out of this rather rough neighborhood."

I knew where she meant: a rough neighborhood on the far side of the river.

"She was a very good lady in a rough neighborhood," he said.